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From: Christophe Cavalaria <chris.cavalaria@free.fr>
Subject: Re: Immersion in roguelikes
Date: 2007-01-09 22:44:35
Agent: KNode/0.9.2

Arthur J. O'Dwyer wrote:
>    True. I don't know; I see a qualitative difference between "Think;
> open door; go through it" and "Think; jump into pit". Namely, the
> "open door" step.
>
>    It's probably not worth the bandwidth to argue about doors any more.
> BTW, it occurs to me that I would also not be opposed to a roguelike
> in which "door" was simply a tile type that was opaque but could be
> walked through, like this:
>
> #####  #####  #####  #####
> @.+..  .@+..  ..@.m  ..+@m
> #####  #####  #####  #####
>
> What I'm objecting to are interfaces like Angband's auto-open option,
> where the sequence of events is
>
> #####  #####  #####  #####  #####
> @.+..  .@+..  .@'.m  ..@.m  ..'@m
> #####  #####  #####  #####  #####
>
> even though the player has simply pressed "right" four times in a row.
> For some reason, I want to force him to press "o" (or whatever) between
> the second and third panels.

I agree mostly with everything you've said, but I just cannot agree with
that! Auto open door is a good thing in my opinion. When you are walking
through a corridor with a door in the middle, it is very appropriate for a
lot of reasons :
- walking into a closed door and recieving the error message "there's a
closed door here dummy, you can't pass!" is annoying
- it is much much easier to type
- the o key for open door is much more difficult to use : you have to press
o and then specify a direction to open the door. Since you have to specify
the direction at that point and that there isn't any other obvious command
the user would do when bumping into a door, the o command is useless here

Yes I know the last two points are nearly the same ;)


Immersion in roguelikes 81 posts
..... Radomir 'The Sheep' Dopieralski 2007-01-07 17:13:58 105
............... Radomir 'The Sheep' Dopieralski 2007-01-07 19:02:53 77
.................... Christophe Cavalaria 2007-01-07 19:56:41 72
......................... Radomir 'The Sheep' Dopieralski 2007-01-07 20:56:30 134
.............................. Gamer_2k4 2007-01-09 02:40:30 16
................................... Gerry Quinn 2007-01-09 14:53:24 20
......................... Arthur J. O'Dwyer 2007-01-08 20:35:15 180
.............................. Radomir 'The Sheep' Dopieralski 2007-01-09 02:16:27 311
................................... Martin Read 2007-01-09 21:25:42 14
................................... Arthur J. O'Dwyer 2007-01-09 22:00:59 307
........................................ Christophe Cavalaria 2007-01-09 22:44:35 39
............................................. Andrew Doull 2007-01-09 23:56:37 50
.................................................. Christophe Cavalaria 2007-01-10 00:25:04 37
....................................................... Arthur J. O'Dwyer 2007-01-10 05:18:34 77
............................................................ Billy Bissette 2007-01-10 08:57:08 28
............................................................ Christophe 2007-01-10 09:46:10 31
................................................................. Gamer_2k4 2007-01-10 17:21:17 20
...................................................................... Jeff Lait 2007-01-11 15:54:49 17
....................................................... Ray Dillinger 2007-01-11 21:58:14 23
.................................................. R. Dan Henry 2007-01-12 08:25:34 11
........................................ Radomir 'The Sheep' Dopieralski 2007-01-11 02:24:58 294
............................................. Christophe 2007-01-11 09:56:27 16
.................................................. Radomir 'The Sheep' Dopieralski 2007-01-11 14:18:39 26
................................... Ray Dillinger 2007-01-11 22:15:41 22
.............................. Simon Richard Clarkstone 2007-01-22 02:54:13 28
.................... fufu 2007-01-07 19:59:42 18
......................... Radomir 'The Sheep' Dopieralski 2007-01-07 20:17:35 52
......................... Gamer_2k4 2007-01-07 22:24:54 33
.................... konijn_ 2007-01-07 21:40:13 22
.................... Gamer_2k4 2007-01-07 22:07:07 11
.......... Mario Donick 2007-01-07 18:01:36 33
............... Radomir 'The Sheep' Dopieralski 2007-01-07 18:28:46 39
............... Gamer_2k4 2007-01-07 21:57:34 37
.................... Mario Donick 2007-01-07 23:10:08 65
......................... Mario Donick 2007-01-08 03:30:17 143
.............................. Radomir 'The Sheep' Dopieralski 2007-01-08 04:33:09 26
................................... Gamer_2k4 2007-01-08 04:42:59 20
................................... Mario Donick 2007-01-08 06:04:03 71
........................................ Mario Donick 2007-01-08 06:35:59 11
............................................. Mario Donick 2007-01-08 13:49:36 22
................................... R. Alan Monroe 2007-02-14 03:17:08 30
........................................ Radomir 'The Sheep' Dopieralski 2007-02-14 06:31:39 26
............................................. R. Alan Monroe 2007-02-16 03:57:42 33
.................................................. Radomir 'The Sheep' Dopieralski 2007-02-16 09:11:16 37
.............................. Pointless 2007-01-08 18:04:37 25
.......... Christophe Cavalaria 2007-01-07 18:22:16 114
............................................................ Andrew Doull 2007-01-10 18:33:32 24
.......... Antoine 2007-01-07 21:20:11 31
............... Mario Donick 2007-01-07 23:20:43 11
.................... Antoine 2007-01-08 00:16:00 20
......................... Gerry Quinn 2007-01-08 14:13:40 23
.......... Brendan Guild 2007-01-09 02:51:12 37
............... Gamer_2k4 2007-01-09 03:02:52 11
............... Radomir 'The Sheep' Dopieralski 2007-01-09 03:21:41 42
............... Nolithius 2007-01-09 06:15:30 111
.................... Gamer_2k4 2007-01-09 06:39:45 7
.................... Brendan Guild 2007-01-09 08:12:36 93
......................... Radomir 'The Sheep' Dopieralski 2007-01-09 14:43:34 29
.............................. Gamer_2k4 2007-01-09 15:13:35 25
.............................. Brendan Guild 2007-01-10 00:57:00 77
................................... Nolithius 2007-01-10 07:45:58 98
........................................ David Damerell 2007-01-10 18:07:39 19
............................................. Nolithius 2007-01-10 23:50:42 80
.................................................. Brendan Guild 2007-01-11 05:30:20 118
....................................................... Gamer_2k4 2007-01-11 06:35:33 143
............................................................ Brendan Guild 2007-01-11 09:08:48 31
................................................................. Gamer_2k4 2007-01-12 18:00:29 71
.................................................. Jeff Lait 2007-01-11 16:11:04 86
....................................................... Nolithius 2007-01-11 20:43:29 158
............................................. Ray Dillinger 2007-01-11 23:27:18 53
................................... Radomir 'The Sheep' Dopieralski 2007-01-11 12:17:15 74
........................................ Brendan Guild 2007-01-11 13:10:06 65
............................................. Radomir 'The Sheep' Dopieralski 2007-01-11 14:41:59 52
.................................................. Simon Richard Clarkstone 2007-01-22 21:43:16 63
............... Mario Donick 2007-01-09 12:28:19 45
.......... B0rsuk 2007-01-10 21:41:13 6
............... Gamer_2k4 2007-01-11 01:41:02 10
............... Radomir 'The Sheep' Dopieralski 2007-01-11 14:07:41 30
.................... Arthur J. O'Dwyer 2007-01-11 19:19:17 48
......................... Radomir 'The Sheep' Dopieralski 2007-01-11 20:51:31 25
.......... R. Dan Henry 2007-01-12 08:25:50 13


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