The Angband Ladder: GonnaDie, Edain Hador no-class by debo

  [Sil 1.1.1-mpa Character Dump]

 Name   GonnaDie      Age       23       Str   9 =  3  +1      +5
 Sex    Male          Height  5'11       Dex   6 =  2  +1      +3
 Race   Edain         Weight   166       Con   7 =  3  +2      +2
 House  Hador                            Gra   3 =  1          +2

 Game Turn   25,962   Melee (+35,3d12)   Melee       35 = 23  +6  -2  +8
 Exp Pool     1,439   Bows   (+11,1d8)   Archery     11 =  0  +6  -2  +7
 Total Exp   86,139   Armor [+26,6-26]   Evasion     26 = 20  +6
 Burden        99.4                      Stealth     -9 =  0  +6  -3 -12
 Max Burden   515.5   Health     -2:71   Perception  10 =  7  +3
 Depth         1000'  Voice      65:69   Will        15 = 12  +3
 Min Depth     1000'  Song     Slaying   Smithing     3 =  0  +3
 Light Radius     3                      Song        13 = 10  +3

 You are the first child of a craftsman. You are the black sheep of the
 family. You have brown eyes, straight black hair, and an average

  [Last Messages]

> Gothmog, High Captain of Balrogs resists.
> You hear a grunt.
> You hear a cry of pain.
> The Troll guard moves through your zone of control.
> You hit the Troll guard!!
> You have slain the Troll guard.
> You burst into a furious rage!
> You have 7 Grey Herbs of Rage (a).
> It hits you.
> Gothmog, High Captain of Balrogs hits you.
> You are enveloped in flames!
> The Troll guard hits you.
> The Troll guard misses you.
> It hits you.
> You die.


  # #..#T


a) The Bastard Sword 'Anglachel' (+1,3d3) [+1] 5.0 lb
   It cuts easily through armour.  It makes you encounter more
   dangerous creatures (even when not worn).  It cannot be
   harmed by the elements.  It does extra damage when wielded
   with both hands.  
b) a Shortbow (+1,1d7) 1.0 lb
   It can shoot arrows 12 squares (with your current strength).
c) a Silver Ring of Venom's End
   It provides resistance to poison.  
d) a Moonstone Ring of Dexterity <+1>
   It increases your dexterity by 1.  It sustains your dexterity.
e) an Amber Amulet of Constitution <+1> {con}
   It increases your constitution by 1.  It sustains your 
f) a Brass Lantern of Brightness (with 6871 turns of light)
   It burns brightly, increasing your light radius by an
   additional square.  
g) Galvorn Armour of Protection [-1,1d9]
   It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
h) a Cloak [+2]
i) The Kite Shield of Fingolfin (-2) [+0,1d8] <+1> {@w2}
   It increases your constitution by 1.  It provides resistance
   to fear.  It sustains your constitution.  It cannot be harmed
   by the elements.  
j) a Dwarf Mask of True Sight [-2,1d2]
   It provides resistance to fire, blindness, and hallucination.
   It grants you the ability to see invisible creatures.  
k) a Set of Gauntlets of Strength (-1) [+0,1d2] <+1>
   It increases your strength by 1.  
l) a Pair of Mithril Greaves of Free Action [+0,1d3]
   It grants you freedom of movement.  It cannot be harmed by
   the elements.  
m) 18 Arrows (+3)
   They can be shot 12 squares (with your current strength and bow).
n) 61 Arrows (Poisoned)
   They are branded with venom.  They can be shot 12 squares
   (with your current strength and bow).


a) 7 Grey Herbs of Rage
b) a Wrinkled Herb of Restoration
c) a Fragment of Lembas
d) 6 Clear Potions of Miruvor
e) 5 Grey Potions of Healing
f) 2 Copper Speckled Potions of True Sight
g) 5 Brilliant Blue Potions of Quickness
h) a Yellow Potion of Elemental Resistance
i) 4 Crimson Potions of Strength
j) 7 Smoky Potions of Dexterity
k) a Violet Potion of Constitution
l) 3 Sparkling Blue Potions of Grace
m) a Willow Staff of Foes (2 charges)
n) an Emerald Ring of Protection [+0,1d2]
o) a Turquoise Ring of Warmth
   It provides resistance to cold.  
p) a Crystal Amulet of the Blessed Realm <+1>
   It increases your grace by 1.  It sustains your grace.  It 
   lights the dungeon around you.  
q) a Brass Lantern of True Sight (with 6316 turns of light)
   It provides resistance to blindness and hallucination.  It
   grants you the ability to see invisible creatures.  
r) a Jewelled Crown of Brilliance [+0,1d1]
   It lights the dungeon around you.  It cannot be harmed by the
s) The Pair of Greaves of Orodreth [-1,1d2] <+1>
   It increases your dexterity by 1.  It provides resistance to 
   fire.  It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
t) The Longsword 'Narsil' (+0,2d6) [+1] {@w1} 2.5 lb
   It provides resistance to cold and fire.  It lights the
   dungeon around you.  It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
u) a Mattock of Belegost (-5,5d3) <+3> 12.5 lb
   It improves your tunneling by 3.  It requires both hands to
   wield it properly.  


Zone of Control
Knock Back
Crowd Fighting
Critical Resistance
Song of Slaying
Unwavering Voice


GonnaDie of the Edain
Entered Angband on 17 Sep 2013

    Turn     Depth    Note

       0     50 ft    (Charge)
   1,294    150 ft    I guess I should stop wielding this 50' mattock now :( 
   3,648    250 ft    (Dodging)
   3,648    250 ft    (Flanking)
   3,935    300 ft    Encountered Gorgol, the Butcher
   3,963    300 ft    Slew Gorgol, the Butcher
   4,677    400 ft    (Momentum)
   4,995    400 ft    (Lore-Keeper)
   5,182    400 ft    Fell through a false floor.
   5,512    450 ft    Encountered Orcobal, Champion of the Orcs
   5,516    450 ft    Slew Orcobal, Champion of the Orcs
   6,880    500 ft    Encountered Ulfang the Black
   7,572    450 ft    (Finesse)
   7,572    450 ft    (Zone of Control)
   9,470    550 ft    HHHAAAADDDDOOOORRRR
   9,578    500 ft    Fucking sulrauko
  11,178    600 ft    HHHAAAADDDDOOOORRRR
  11,706    650 ft    (Hardiness)
  12,256    650 ft    Encountered Gilim, the Giant of Eruman
  12,267    650 ft    Slew Gilim, the Giant of Eruman
  12,267    650 ft    Found The Kite Shield of Fingolfin
  12,361    650 ft    Hador :(
  13,722    700 ft    (Constitution)
  14,035    700 ft    Found The Longsword 'Orcrist'
  14,039    700 ft    hrm
  14,039    700 ft    Ugh it's only like gondolin
  14,068    700 ft    I need doriath more right now
  14,076    700 ft    SO MANY SERPENTS ERGMEGAD
  14,306    700 ft    Encountered Umuiyan, the Doorkeeper
  14,414    700 ft    Found The Spear 'Aeglos'
  14,762    700 ft    Slew Umuiyan, the Doorkeeper
  16,045    750 ft    Found The Bastard Sword 'Anglachel'
  16,250    750 ft    Found The Longsword 'Narsil'
  16,302    750 ft    bye war hammer :'(
  16,593    800 ft    Fell through a false floor.
  16,646    850 ft    (Knock Back)
  16,968    850 ft    Encountered The Deathblade 'Delmereth'
  16,974    850 ft    Subdued The Deathblade 'Delmereth'
  16,974    850 ft    Found The Deathblade 'Delmereth'
  17,013    850 ft    (Strength)
  17,426    850 ft    (Sprinting)
  18,315    900 ft    (Critical Resistance)
  18,412    900 ft    rip 50' mattock.
  19,171    950 ft    Great fire drakes are impossible :(
  19,185    950 ft    Encountered Draugluin, Sire of Werewolves
  19,259    950 ft    Slew Draugluin, Sire of Werewolves
  19,259    950 ft    Found The Wolf-Hame of Draugluin
  19,260    950 ft    bitch
  19,505    950 ft    Encountered Ancalagon the Black
  19,524    950 ft    Yeah totally not fighting him
  19,598    950 ft    Encountered Lungorthin, Lord of Balrogs
  19,600    950 ft    I need !Con so badly...
  19,650    950 ft    Destroyed Lungorthin, Lord of Balrogs
  19,651    950 ft    Found The Ring of Melian
  19,655    950 ft    That was way too hard.
  20,069    950 ft    SWAP ITEM HELL ERMEGAD
  20,437    950 ft    Wow I've never had such a hard time with hithrauko 
  20,437    950 ft    Shoulda kept melian :(
  20,541    950 ft    wtf the chest opened and I got a vanilla helm and 
                      vanilla crown 
  20,611    950 ft    Fuuuuu orodreth is under a great fire drake :(
  20,611    950 ft    Or are there other greaves at [-1,1d2]?
  20,611    950 ft    Nope, that's definitely orodreth
  20,611    950 ft    OK i think i see something that might be a con potion
  20,617    950 ft    Found The Pair of Greaves of Orodreth
  20,629    950 ft    Got him
  20,629    950 ft    Elem resist + narsil = p.good
  20,968    950 ft    Fuck i forgot ancalagon was here
  20,974    950 ft    Still not worth it i don't think
  20,974    950 ft    yeah too fast and dodgy for my liking
  21,177    950 ft    Good floor
  21,201    950 ft    This game has literally no !Con
  21,271    950 ft    Found The Crown of Dark Secrets
  21,275    950 ft    hi psi!
  21,287    950 ft    note to self *UNRELENTING HORRORS* in *BOTTOM RIGHT*
  21,287    950 ft    I *DO NOT* want to fight those motherfuckers!
  21,340    950 ft    rip nameless thing :(
  21,390    950 ft    4 vampire lords.....
  21,407    950 ft    HHHAAAADDDOOORRRRR
  21,473    950 ft    OPEN UP CHEST
  21,495    950 ft    Sigh
  21,515    950 ft    fuck chests,
  21,515    950 ft    seriously
  21,845    950 ft    sigh
  22,110    950 ft    ORODRETH Y U NO HAVE FREE ACTION
  22,110    950 ft    this is pretty super annoting
  22,110    950 ft    annoying, even
  22,992    900 ft    Found The Shortsword of Galadriel
  22,997    900 ft    oh hi
  23,026    950 ft    Still no con potions....
  23,134    950 ft    Light radius 6. Can't see 3 gwathrauko. 
  23,233    950 ft    DIIIIIEEEEE
  23,375    950 ft    Encountered Thuringwethil, the Vampire Messenger
  23,394    950 ft    sigh
  23,411    950 ft    Slew Thuringwethil, the Vampire Messenger
  23,411    950 ft    Found The Bat-Fell of Thuringwethil
  23,463    950 ft    This is the part where i try to kill unrelenting 
  23,518    950 ft    Not too bad
  23,939    950 ft    oh ho ho I think dagorhir is near
  23,941    950 ft    Encountered Dagorhir, the Elfbane
  23,994    950 ft    Slew Dagorhir, the Elfbane
  23,996    950 ft    he dropped a fucking shovel
  23,996    950 ft    let me dig your grave for you
  24,025    950 ft    OK i think i'm done with this floor
  24,174    950 ft    Saithnar is here!
  24,174    950 ft    But guess what's not....
  24,174    950 ft    !Con :(
  24,174    950 ft    seriously what is this i don't even
  24,579    950 ft    hahaha
  24,579    950 ft    i wonder if i can get a great fire drake to kill a 
                      great cold drake.. 
  24,590    950 ft    Hmmn> This isn't going well
  24,591    950 ft    Found The Greatsword of Saithnar
  24,600    950 ft    YES ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED
  24,663    950 ft    OK that's enough stupidity for now
  24,663    950 ft    All I wanted to do was see saithnar and get some hot D 
                      on D action 
  24,666    950 ft    OK i guess let's go kill ancalagon
  24,714    950 ft    OK what
  24,714    950 ft    why is that drake roaming so far
  24,714    950 ft    I think i made him mad
  25,024    950 ft    AAAARGH
  25,039    950 ft    Slew Ancalagon the Black
  25,044    950 ft    Preetty sure that wasn't worth it.....
  25,097    950 ft    OK fuck it i think i'm done with this
  25,821    950 ft    OK just picked up a dwarf mask of true sight
  25,821    950 ft    that way i can keep free action greaves on during 
                      throne room 
  25,821    950 ft    if glaurung or gorthaur are there
  25,821    950 ft    which i'm guessing they will be....
  25,912    950 ft    (Song of Slaying)
  25,912    950 ft    (Unwavering Voice)
  25,912    950 ft    (Crowd Fighting)
  25,912    950 ft    (Dexterity)
  25,918  1,000 ft    Entered Morgoth's throne room
  25,926  1,000 ft    Encountered Glaurung, the Deceiver
  25,926  1,000 ft    Encountered Morgoth, Lord of Darkness
  25,926  1,000 ft    Found The Mail Corslet of Gundor
  25,937  1,000 ft    Encountered Gothmog, High Captain of Balrogs
  25,953  1,000 ft    Found The Massive Iron Crown of Morgoth
  25,956  1,000 ft    Slew Glaurung, the Deceiver

  25,962  1,000 ft    Slain by a Troll guard.
  25,962  1,000 ft    Died on 20 September 2013.

  ['Score' 020074038]

Posted on 18.9.2013 03:55
Last updated on 20.9.2013 23:13

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On 18.9.2013 03:55 debo wrote:
MPA-sil run -- not completely up to date, but has the "lore-keeper ids consumables" and "self-knowledge ids weapons" changes in there. Also, shit-brown shortswords.

I've been playing with using Charge+Flanking to make an Edain run tolerable, and this one has been pretty fun so far. The early 3.0lb 4d2 war hammer has helped alot, but I just got thrown for a loop by the kite shield of fingolfin :(

It has +con and crazy def (and rfear!) which is awesome, but there's nothing I really want to wield 1-handed right now...

The melee affinity for Hador feels really strong, they almost play like a really hard-fighting Naugrim with terrible Con. I actually find these a lot easier to play than any of the non-archer Sindar...

On 18.9.2013 03:57 debo wrote:
FYI having self-knowledge id weapons-in-hand is super great, and combining that with lorekeeper showing me which ones are cursed this makes it easy to skip loremaster... maybe too easy :)

This ID game is pretty easy now but at least it's one that doesn't make me barf

On 18.9.2013 09:21 Scatha wrote:
Using the hammer one handed seems okay here? Or perhaps switching from one to two handed depending on the fight.

On 18.9.2013 11:33 absolutego wrote:
i think trying to win hador has destroyed my enjoyment of the game.
fighting things with 3 con is just godawful.

On 18.9.2013 12:53 debo wrote:
Scatha: Yeah I might try the hammer or the bastard sword one-handed, I'm just worried about not doing enough damage -- especially with the (-2)...

On 18.9.2013 16:09 debo wrote:
The shield is working OK. It does enough damage to kill serpents while I'm wearing it... eventually. I had a open-room fight with 7 cats, 3 greater werewolves, an emerald serpent, and 3 cave trolls, and I managed to take them all out. I got surrounded at one point and none of the cats could scratch me, it was actually the poison damage from the greater werewolves that was getting me into trouble...

I'm relying a lot more on 'cute' play this game (i guess half would call it 'tactical') ... I was overwhelmed by a ton of greater werewolves and a grotesque, so i pulled the grotesque into the hall, plugged the wolves behind it, and then smashed the grotesque to death with a mattock, sealing them behind the rubble :) (When I did that, i got a bunch of messages saying "the X became unwary", even though I have 1 stealth... I guess losing pathfinding to the player makes them go back to wandering?)

MarvinPA changed the color on deathblades so I totally thought it was a new item type and ran headfirst into one while fleeing from greater Cs, but it fell pretty easily to a two-fisted warhammer.

Now I've found orcrist... melee and evasion bonus are nice but it doesn't slay wolves or rauko which is really what I need right now, and I fear that at 2d8 (2d11 on charge), I'm really not going to be doing much damage. Might give it a shot but it's certainly not going make the cut on serpents.

I was going to aim for crit resist, but given that I survived 10 rounds surrounded by cats, I think I can hold off on that to buff melee and evasion for a while.

My biggest hole right now is fract, any dragon that gets LOS is going to completely own me I think, provided that he can pry me out of my armor!

On 18.9.2013 16:15 HallucinationMushroom wrote:
Awesome job! You've segued into a heavy protection warrior, listing my typical problems... butterknife problem, and poison. Get prot rings, buy rpois, get b.axe, heap melee points. Focus attack with +10 perception nets +5 melee with wait-attack, which you can sustain with heavy armor, which you should buy! Feel the warmth and comfort and overall snugginess of all that metal. It loves you.

Or, just keep on keepin' on! Hehe. Good job getting so far man. Don't let your great gear get acid-ed.

On 18.9.2013 16:19 debo wrote:
but but but... i want to charge things with a 2H weapon :( I don't wanna be a turtle!!!

On 18.9.2013 16:20 debo wrote:
Also I don't think waiting around is going to help this guy much, so far I've done my best by running all over the place and chaining charge-flanks on dudes... the pack AI seems to get far fewer attacks this way (they spend more turns moving / repositioning and fewer attacking, which also plays nicely into ZoC!)

On 18.9.2013 23:09 debo wrote:
Things got a bit hairy there for a while (Two packs of Kemenrauko + scads of badguys), but pulled through with only using a couple healing things.

So far I've been dodging around my resistance holes by trying to kill things quick. I found Anglachel (!) and Narsil... Anglachel is doing all the damage, but I've swapped to Narsil a couple times against young drakes. I've killed a couple ancient ruby serpents just by getting a swift charge at them before they could react.

I'm currently sitting on a Hauberk of Protection (-2) [-4,2d7] (39.5 lb)... it would cost 4500XP to get heavy armor use but I wonder if it would be worth it, I'd get 1d3 prot even without Fingolfin. Would rather spend the XP on more melee, more evasion, or possibly Song of Slaying?

I'd love to be able to ditch the "Blessed Realm for the "Con but right now I am just able to see Gwathrauko, so I'm forced to hold it as a swap.

elliptic told me that knockback doesn't work as well with 1h, there is a bonus applied to 2h attacks -- so far I'm not noticing much, although I suppose I have 7 effective str when I charge anyways :)

On 18.9.2013 23:24 debo wrote:
Also in honor of Fingolfin my shield, here's my favorite fanart depiction of the battle of Fingolfin and Morgoth:

On 19.9.2013 02:17 debo wrote:
Well, this is getting ugly. Still haven't found a single !Con or anything with rF+ except for Narsil, and there are dragons everywhere. Lungorthin showed up to add injury to more injury, and I used up a scad of consumables :(

Trawling 950' right now but not feeling great about this. Probably will go for song of slaying at some point, maybe add staying to the mix if XP allows.

On 20.9.2013 13:39 debo wrote:
Orodreth was a great find, but I had to kill a Great Fire Drake to get it. :/ Thankfully, I hung onto Narsil. He went down pretty easily with that and an !elem. I went back to an old hoard forgetting that it was guarded by ancalagon... still not really someone I want to deal with right now. Or ever.

The "!Con does not exist" problem is starting to get super annoying. I found one !Con, just regerated 950', and there are none to be found here. There's an artefact crown and a couple other consumables kicking around that I might go steal before regenning one last 950', burning my last treasures charge, and then just going for it.

I think this dude could kill V if I had quite a lot more !Con, and a few more !Quick, but it's not looking good. I guess I also need slaying, and something like rapid attack which is also not going to happen so... yeah, this might be a 1 sil game. Which means I get to deal with V on the ascent. Hooray :)

On 20.9.2013 13:48 debo wrote:
I think I might just pool experience until the throne room now, and then decide if I want Crowd Fighting and Dexterity, or +song and Song of Slaying...

On 20.9.2013 13:49 debo wrote:
By the way taptap -- I found a 5.0lb dragon horn longbow just now :)

On 20.9.2013 15:24 HallucinationMushroom@Yahoo.egg wrote:
Man, please tell me you recorded this run... I would love to watch it, even without commentary. Evasion... and protection! I'm so... what do the cool kids call it?... Jelly. I'm so jelly.

On 20.9.2013 15:38 debo wrote:
Sorry, no permanent artifact of this run exists :( I killed a whole bunch of these dudes before this so going straight to video would be... frustrating lol. I was termcasting the whole time though!

I guess I could record the throne room run...

On 20.9.2013 15:39 debo wrote:
Also, I probably could have had a much more powerful character if I'd stopped buying evasion and relied more on protection to save me, but with such low con for so long, I didn't really have the guts to do it. But dumping a lot of that evasion XP into song could have gone a long way to making this dude a V-killer, I think.

On 20.9.2013 19:59 taptap wrote:
My Lorog is at 950ft. and if the chambers of thu don't yield anything better, I will end up with the shortbow of celegorm (which is great, but not exactly a heavy bow). So jealous.

As you played a mastery character recently I am surprised you don't have more love for House of Doriath. They are the best.

On 20.9.2013 20:02 taptap wrote:
A pity you don't use perception more, leaving Ring of Melian behind must hurt.

On 20.9.2013 23:03 debo wrote:
Well here goes...

On 20.9.2013 23:13 debo wrote:
So.... I remembered to take all my vitamins except ,Rage....


On 20.9.2013 23:14 debo wrote:
hador :(

On 20.9.2013 23:14 debo wrote:
I actually lost 50HP in one round!!

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