The Angband Ladder: Mighty Curses, Mindflayer Monk by chris

  [Hengband 1.7.2 Character Dump]

                          Name  : Mighty Curses

 Sex      : Male             Age               109   STR!:   18/80
 Race     : Mindflayer       Height             79   INT!:  18/100
 Class    : Monk             Weight            162   WIS!:  18/140
 Magic    : Life             Social Class       26   DEX!:  18/110
                             Align          Lawful   CON!:  18/140
                                                     CHR!:  18/110

 Bare hand       (+49,+33)   Hit point   -151/ 606   Fighting   : Superb
 Posture              none   SP (Mana)    185/ 265   Bows/Throw : Superb
 Blows/Round           5+0                           SavingThrow: Superb
 AverageDmg/Rnd      288+0   Level              37   Stealth    : Excellent
                             Experience    1168754
 Shooting         (-10,+0)   Max Exp       1168754   Perception : Good
 Multiplier          x0.00   Exp to Adv    1190000   Searching  : Good
 Shots/Round          0.00   Gold         16235428   Disarming  : Heroic
                                                     MagicDevice: Heroic
 AC               [0,+120]   Time   Day 1358  4:49
 Speed                (+9)   Play time    05:01:29   Infra-Vision: 40 feet

                         (Character Background)
          You have slimy skin, empty glowing eyes, and three
          tentacles around your mouth.

          ...You were killed by a Drolem on level 20 of Castle.

 Sex   : Male          Stat    BaseRacClaPerMod ActualCurrent  abcdefghijkl@
 Race  : Mindflayer    STR!:  18/70 -3  2  2  0  18/80         .............
 Class : Monk          INT!:  18/90  4 -1 -2  0 18/100         ............s
 Level : 37            WIS!: 18/100  4  1 -1  0 18/140         ............s
 Hits  : -151/606      DEX!:  18/80  0  3  0  0 18/110         .............
 Mana  : 185/265       CON!: 18/130 -2  2  1  0 18/140         .............
                       CHR!: 18/130 -3  1  0  0 18/110         .............

         abcdefghijkl@            abcdefghijkl@                abcdefghijkl@
 Acid  : .....+.......    Sound : .............    Speed     : ....+.......+
 Elec  : .....+.......    Nether: .............    FreeAction: ............+
 Fire  : .....+......#    Nexus : .............    SeeInvisi.: ............+
 Cold  : .....+......#    Chaos : .............    Hold Life : .............
 Poison: .............    Disnch: .............    Warning   : .............
 Light : .............    Fear  : .............    SlowDigest: .............
 Dark  : .............    Reflct: .............    Regene.   : .............
 Shard : .............    AuFire: .............    Levitation: .............
 Blind : .....+.......    AuElec: .............    Perm Lite : .............
 Conf  : .............    AuCold: .............    Cursed    : .............

             ab@                abcdefghijkl@                  abcdefghijkl@
 Slay Evil : ...    Telepathy : ............+    Add Blows   : .............
 Slay Und. : ...    ESP Evil  : .............    Add Tunnel  : .............
 Slay Demon: ...    ESP Noliv.: .............    Add Infra   : .............
 Slay Drag.: ...    ESP Good  : .............    Add Device  : .............
 Slay Human: ...    ESP Undead: .............    Add Stealth : .............
 Slay Anim.: ...    ESP Demon : .............    Add Search  : .............
 Slay Orc  : ...    ESP Dragon: .............
 Slay Troll: ...    ESP Human : .............    Riding      : .............
 Slay Giant: ...    ESP Animal: .............    Throw       : .............
 Acid Brand: ...    ESP Orc   : .............    Blessed     : .............
 Elec Brand: ...    ESP Troll : .............    No Teleport : .............
 Fire Brand: ...    ESP Giant : .............    Anti Magic  : .............
 Cold Brand: ...                                 Econom. Mana: .............
 Poison Brd: ...    Sust Str  : .............
 Sharpness : ...    Sust Int  : ............+    Drain Exp   : .............
 Quake     : ...    Sust Wis  : ............+    Rnd.Teleport: .............
 Vampiric  : ...    Sust Dex  : .............    Aggravate   : .............
 Chaotic   : ...    Sust Con  : .............    TY Curse    : .............
 Force Wep.: ...    Sust Chr  : .............

  [Last Messages]

> The Drolem claws you.
> You are poisoned!
> The Drolem claws you.
> The Drolem bites you.
> The Drolem misses you.
> The Drolem claws you.
> The Drolem misses you.
> You double-kick the Drolem.
> You miss the Drolem.
> You kick the Drolem in the ankle.
> You hit the Drolem with a jump kick.
> You hit the Drolem with a circle kick.
> The Drolem misses you.
> The Drolem bites you.
> The Drolem claws you.
> The Drolem misses you.
> You kick the Drolem in the ankle.
> It was a great hit!
> You hit the Drolem with a circle kick.
> The Drolem is stunned.
> You miss the Drolem.
> You hit the Drolem with a Cat's Claw.
> You hit the Drolem with an Eagle's Claw.
> The Drolem misses you. <x4>
> You miss the Drolem.
> You hit the Drolem with a Cat's Claw.
> You double-kick the Drolem.
> You miss the Drolem. <x2>
> The Drolem breathes gas.
> Bif!
> Goodbye, Curses!

  [Option Settings]

 Preserve Mode:      ON
 Small Levels:       OFF
 Unusual Rooms:      ON
 Arena Levels:       OFF

  [Recall Depth]

    Angband         : level   1
    Yeek cave       : level   5
    Castle          : level  22

  [Quest Information]

< Completed Quest >
  Thieves Hideout                          (Danger  level:   5) - level  8
  Warg problem                             (Danger  level:   5) - level 12
  The Sewer                                (Danger  level:  15) - level 17

< Failed Quest >
  Logrus Master                            (Danger  level:  25) - level 17
  The Vault                                (Danger  level:  30) - level 17

 Arena:  0 Victory

  [Defeated Monsters]

You have defeated 38745 enemies including 72 unique monsters in total.

< Unique monsters top 10 >
  Nappa the Saiyan                         (level  50)
  Zoth-Ommog                               (level  45)
  Quachil Uttaus, Treader of the Dust      (level  44)
  Scatha the Worm                          (level  44)
  Ubbo-Sathla, the Unbegotten Source       (level  41)
  Judge Fire                               (level  41)
  Strygalldwir                             (level  41)
  Gorlim, Betrayer of Barahir              (level  41)
  Rinaldo, Son of Brand                    (level  41)
  Jasra, Brand's Mistress                  (level  40)


Your alighnment : Lawful

You are a champion of Faith.
You are very virtuous in Harmony.
You are the living embodiment of Temperance.
You have strayed from the path of Patience.
You are virtuous in Enlightenment.
You are the living embodiment of Vitality.
You are an enemy of Sacrifice.
You are very virtuous in Compassion.

  [Character Equipment]

a) (nothing)
b) (nothing)
c) (nothing)
d) a Ring of Damage (+20)
e) a Ring of Speed (+6) {Sp}
f) an Amulet of Resistance {AcElFiCoBl, !*!*!*!*}
g) The Stone of Lore
h) (nothing)
i) (nothing)
j) (nothing)
k) (nothing)
l) (nothing)

  [Character Inventory]

a) 3 Books of Life Magic [Book of Common Prayer] {@ma!k}
b) 3 Books of Life Magic [High Mass] {@mb!k}
c) a Book of Life Magic [Book of the Unicorn] {@mc!k}
d) a Book of Life Magic [Blessings of the Grail] {@md!k}
e) 46 Potions of Heroism {25% off}
f) 50 Potions of Cure Critical Wounds {90% off}
g) 24 Potions of Restore Life Levels {75% off}
h) 26 Scrolls of Teleportation
i) 3 Rods of Recall {!s!d!k}
j) a Rod of Speed {!s!d!k!!}
k) 5 Rods of Teleport Other {!s!d!k}
l) 10 Rods of Stone to Mud (3 charging) {@z6!s!d!k}
m) a Staff of Curing (8 charges) {!s!d!k}

  [Home Inventory]

 ( page 1 )
a) 23 Books of Life Magic [Book of Common Prayer] {@ma!k}
b) 2 Books of Life Magic [High Mass] {@mb!k}
c) 3 Books of Life Magic [Book of the Unicorn] {@mc!k}
d) a Mushroom of Restore Constitution
e) 28 Mushrooms of Restoring {!E}
f) 13 Rations of Food
g) 99 Potions of Speed {!k!q}
h) 44 Potions of Speed {!k!q}
i) 99 Potions of Heroism {25% off}
j) 99 Potions of Heroism {25% off}
k) 99 Potions of Heroism {25% off}
l) 74 Potions of Heroism {25% off}

 ( page 2 )
a) 20 Potions of Cure Serious Wounds
b) 99 Potions of Cure Critical Wounds {90% off}
c) 99 Potions of Cure Critical Wounds {90% off}
d) 99 Potions of Cure Critical Wounds {90% off}
e) 99 Potions of Cure Critical Wounds {90% off}
f) 91 Potions of Cure Critical Wounds {90% off}
g) 93 Potions of Healing {!k!q}
h) 14 Potions of *Healing* {!k!q}
i) a Potion of Life {!k!q}
j) 35 Potions of Restore Mana {25% off}
k) 68 Potions of Restore Life Levels {25% off}
l) 2 Potions of Restore Strength

 ( page 3 )
a) a Potion of Restore Constitution
b) 14 Potions of Strength {!k}
c) 8 Potions of Wisdom {!k}
d) 4 Potions of Dexterity {!k}
e) a Potion of Constitution {!k}
f) a Potion of Charisma {!k}
g) 33 Potions of Enlightenment
h) 20 Potions of Self Knowledge {25% off}
i) 65 Potions of Resistance {!k!q}
j) 6 Potions of Curing
k) 8 Scrolls of Phase Door
l) 25 Scrolls of Teleportation

 ( page 4 )
a) 2 Scrolls of Word of Recall {75% off}
b) 2 Scrolls of Mundanity
c) 9 Scrolls of Treasure Detection {25% off}
d) 18 Scrolls of *Destruction* {!r!k}
e) 8 Scrolls of Genocide {!r!k}
f) 2 Scrolls of Mass Genocide {!r!k}
g) 2 Rods of Healing {!s!d!k!!}
h) 7 Rods of Teleport Other {!s!d!k}
i) 14 Rods of Stone to Mud
j) a Wand of Heal Monster (5 charges)
k) 3 Wands of Stone to Mud (33 charges)
l) a Wand of Drain Life (6 charges)

 ( page 5 )
a) a Wand of Dragon's Flame (4 charges)
b) a Wand of Dragon's Frost (5 charges)
c) a Wand of Striking (6 charges)
d) a Staff of Perception (11 charges) {@u1!s!d!k}
e) a Staff of Curing (4 charges)
f) 6 Staffs of Curing (6x 8 charges) {50% off}
g) a Staff of Curing (6 charges) {!s!d!k}
h) a Staff of Healing (4 charges)
i) 44 Staffs of Speed (44x 8 charges) {90% off}
j) a Staff of Speed (4 charges) {!s!d!k}
k) 2 Staffs of *Destruction* (2x 4 charges) {25% off}
l) a Ring of Resist Fire {Fi}

 ( page 6 )
a) a Ring of Resist Cold {Co}
b) a Ring of Poison Resistance {Po}
c) a Ring of Lightning [+11] {El}
d) a Ring of Constitution and Regeneration (+3) {Cn;Rg}
e) a Ring of Damage (+17)
f) a Ring of Slaying (+14,+9)
g) a Ring of Slaying (+7,+15)
h) a Ring of Slaying (+6,+14)
i) a Ring of Slaying (+9,+6)
j) a Ring of Slaying (+5,+10)
k) a Ring of Speed (+6)
l) 2 Rings of Speed (+5)

 ( page 7 )
a) a Ring of Speed and Regeneration (+5) {Sp;Rg}
b) a Ring of Nether Resistance {Nt;Hl}
c) a Ring of Nexus Resistance {Nx}
d) a Ring of Sound Resistance
e) a Ring of Confusion Resistance {Cf}
f) a Ring of Shard Resistance and Damage (+0,+5) {Sh}
g) a Ring of Warning {Wr~Z}
h) a Ring of Warning and *Detect* Monster {Wr}
i) a Ring of Reinforce Muscle (+2) {StDxCn}
j) an Amulet of Resist Acid {Ac}
k) an Amulet of Resist Acid and Resist Fire {AcFi}
l) an Amulet of Reflection {Rf}

 ( page 8 )
a) an Amulet of Wisdom (+5) {Wi}
b) an Amulet of Wisdom (+4) {Wi}
c) a Feanorian Lamp of Immortal Eye {Bl;Si}
d) The Rhino Hide Armour 'Dasai' (-1) [8,+64] (-10) {Ch;Ag(Ch}
e) a Cloak of Irritation (-11,-10) [1,-8] {cursed, Ag}
f) a Poison Needle (1d1) (+0,+0)
g) The Great Axe of Castration (4d4) (-21,-14) (-4 to speed) {cursed,
Sp;TeAgTy[M, PermaCurse}
h) The Quarterstaff of Falsehood (1d9) (-10,-18) {cursed, TeTy|P}
i) The Corpse of King Duosi, the Chief of Southerings {Wanted!k!k!k}
j) The Corpse of King Mulu, the Chief of Southerings {Wanted!k!k!k}
k) The Corpse of Wutugu, the Chief of Southerings {Wanted!k!k!k}
l) The Corpse of Kavlax the Many-Headed {Wanted!k!k!k}

 ( page 9 )
a) The Corpse of Rinaldo, Son of Brand {Wanted!k!k!k}
b) The Corpse of Robin Hood, the Outlaw {Wanted!k!k!k}

  [Check Sum: "07aa1b1849421ce8ec"]

Posted on 18.7.2010 23:52
Last updated on 19.7.2010 04:43

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On 18.7.2010 23:52 chris wrote:
[CL25:Tower] 00:54
This is how I am going to play it ... Feel free to adapt the rules somewhat as long as you stay within the spirit of the challenge, which is to win the game with crappy cursed gear!

[1] Rings, Amulets and even Lites are free. So the Jewel is OK. Sacred Knights and Dwarves are OK. Shame on me, but I think this is a really hard challenge. If I win with the Jewel, you may call Shenanigans if you like! The "One Free Pass" approach seems interesting ... feel free to play that way, I think it will still be tough. I just think it will be really hard to stay alive long enough to make the "correct choice" with that approach. Now, watch me shop scum PDSM and eat my words :)

[2] Equipment must be cursed to begin with. I'm debating whether or not uncursing items will allow you to re-equip them ... probably not but I am open to thoughts on this one. You can enchant your cursed gear if you like, but any plusses that were negative may not be enchanted positive. This allows you to melee with those cursed weapons that start out with huge negatives to hit. (Hey, wait ... are death scythes cursed? There's your offensive fire power with the Mindcrafter!)

[3] You may id and sell anything you like. Good ammo (wish I thought of that earlier) is just fine, but your shooter must be average or cursed.


So, where is one to get FA and SI? I decided to go with a Mindflayer monk for this reason alone, forgoing any innate resistances. I went with Life for the late game Ultimate Resistance spell, but I doubt I will make it that long.

Early game was standard, but I dug a bit more than usual to scum a ~Z ring. With Unusual Rooms, my typical early Angband quests were out, and I must therefor jump into the Tower ASAP.

I found a quartz vein pretty quickly, but I was fighting them without FA and without lightning resistance, which will be hard to come by. Fortunately, my high innate AC allowed me to kill the 400 or so to reach CL25 and gain FA. Now, I should be able to build a good supply of gold ... unless my Dex drops so low that I drop to 1 attack. Even then, I think I can do it.

On 19.7.2010 01:28 chris wrote:
[CL33:Town] 02:19
I ran thru 11 million gold buying stat potions. 5 !NewLife gives an OK life I'm not thrilled about. 18/100 is by far the best intrinsic wisdom so far, and 18/130 con is nice. But I'll never be able to get my last attack this way, even with Gogo. Still no "Resistance, so I ran some more quartz veins, and finally found some granite walls as well. But then the BM immediately stocked "Resistance, which is what I was waiting for.

Let's see what the top of Angband has to offer.

(Aside: Read ?Mundanity on PDSM. Technically, that would be OK, but that violates the spirit of this challenge!)

On 19.7.2010 03:28 chris wrote:
[CL36:DL1] 03:58
I cleared a dozen or so GCV's and bubbles. Maybe 100 artifacts? But only one cursed one, and I don't think I want to use it!

The Quarterstaff of Falsehood (1d9) (-10,-18) {cursed, TeTy|P}

I guess I'll move on over to the Castle, though I will get hallucinated to hell and back. Generally, chaos resistance is mandatory at that point. I'll just bring 3 _Curing and see how I can do.

If I were to do this again, I don't think I would do a Mindflayer Life monk. Maybe a Spectre Nature monk? Or maybe a Draconian Craft monk?

On 19.7.2010 04:43 chris wrote:
[CL37:DL20] 05:01
I'm not sure this is possible ... basically, there are 7 or 8 fixed artifacts that are cursed that might be usable. But all the rand-arts are total junk, generally with antimagic, ancient foul curse, no teleport, random teleport, crushing negative p-values, and no compensating bonuses. So, its like trying to win with no resistances ... or fighting naked.

Too hard ... Well, I played 5 hours and found nothing I could wear, aside from Dasai (pseudo ids as terrible despite not being cursed, so I guess its ok). And since I had no hope of covering poison (well, I could wear a ring, but then my 180 hp damage per round would not go far), let alone confusion or chaos (I was basically perma-hallucinating), a drolem got me with a single breath.

Like a said, a spectre monk would do better (innate FA, SI, resist poison, immune nether, passwall for retreat), but there has to be a way to wear some sort of equipment. You simply can't win if the only source of resistance you get is an amulet, and if you have no stat boosts.

If you change the challenge to allow 3 non-cursed items at any given time, not counting rings, amulets or lites, it would still probably be too difficult.

On 19.7.2010 11:09 wrote:
If You allow munchkin You get more HP and some resists and an easy start with a lot of money and great abilities and stats from the beginning. :-)

On 19.7.2010 11:35 wrote:
Maybe Archer aiming to use Harad for offense and Twilight for speed. Can they use egoammo?
Or Ninja with quickwalk later and with ironspike as offense in the beginning until a cursed ninja randart shows up. Or with lots of wands, rods and staves.

On 19.7.2010 11:45 wrote:
Sorry I just can't help to generate ideas!
What about beastmater/cavalery with Razorback and Thanos they can even ride a great wyrm of power. (aggravate is a form of curse right?) :-)

On 19.7.2010 16:19 chris wrote:
Allowing aggravating items is interesting ... The hard part of the challenge is making it possible to live long enough to find stuff. To get Razorback, you must kill Great Cthulhu, and you will need quite a bit of power to do so. You will need resistance, to be sure! A single rocket does 800hp ... you probably won't be able to get shards resistance, and you probably won't have 800hp either.

I'm going to give the 3 free slots item some thought. There are 8 equipment slots other than rings, amulet lite (which remain free for anything). With cursed only, your basically saying you can use none of those slots until you manage to luck into one of a handful of items. That's hard. A warrior will cap out at 30 damage or so. Maybe 100 damage with a good ring of damage. You won't get far that way.

But 3 free slots, means you are only losing 5 equipment slots. So, if you find a good weapon, you can use it ... Until you find something better. How can you hope to stay alive long enough to kill Stormbringer and get the coveted cursed sword, when something like this is all you can hope for:
The Great Axe of Castration (4d4) (-21,-14) (-4 to speed) {cursed,
Sp;TeAgTy[M, PermaCurse}

Your better off with an average dagger, of course!

So, revised challenge:
[1] Average items OK ... heck, I'll even allow the ?Mundanity on PDSM trick. You'll never find PDSM anyway.

[2] Cursed items OK. Anything that pseudo-ids as "terrible" is OK. I'll broaden and say that anything that aggravates, prevents teleportation, has antimagic (only if you can cast spells) counts as cursed too. So, Harad and Razorback count. I think Muramasa as well.

[3] Rings, Amulets and Lites are free slots. Anything goes.

[4] You may remove curse on cursed items to take them off. You can put them back on later. You may enchant cursed items, but you can't enchant something that was negative to become positive. Stop at 0.

[5] You may wear any 3 items you like in the 8 equipment slots at any one time. So, you have 3 free slots. The 5 remaining slots can only be filled with cursed gear.

Seems way too easy? I still say will be very hard ... but at least you should be able to cover resistances and fight effectively to find stuff. I think losing a single equipment slot out of 8 makes the game hard, and here you are effectively losing 5. You'll get 1-3 of those back with the proper cursed gear, to be sure. But that won't happen until very late ...

My big misjudgment on this guy was:
[1] Frequency of cursed artifacts. I only ever found 2, so the frequency is around 2% or so. I found 30 named artifacts, and countless rand-arts.

[2] "Quality" of cursed artifacts. They seem to never get a positive ability. Admittedly, my sample size was small! But with the low frequency, I figured I could just troll until I found one that was usable. I was expecting AFC and random teleportation, to be sure, but would have liked a couple high resists as well. I'm not sure that happens very often.

On 19.7.2010 16:31 chris wrote:
Can a monk win with Shiva's armor, Shiva's boots and Brand? Actually, they will have a shot, but they generally have a hard time covering key resistances with all 8 slots. And here, they only pick up {AcElFiCoShNx} leaving {PoCfCaNtLiDkDiBlSo} as 9 gaping uncoverable holes. Sound in particular is a requirement. Maybe your race can pick up a couple like {DkDi} for the Nibelung or {PoNt} for the Spectre. {Ca} on a Half Titan or even {PoSh} on a skeleton might be tempting. But the usable cursed items don't seem to be usable by monks, with the exception of Thanos. I'd like to see someone wear Thanos ...

A warrior stands a better shot, I think. Dual wield the Falcon Sword of Destruction, and Calris or something. 3 slots go for Brand, Armor and Shiva's Boots. Maybe Feanor. Maybe Amber. At least you have some flexibility!

Actually, just being able to get Shiva's boots early in the game and use them is huge. Walking around with low speed and gaping resistance holes is suicide ... Plus, the boots have FA and Lv which are important, and will be hard to get elsewhere.

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